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stables....? dont think its abt time tht wwe make some good stables on RAW and SD? HHH or Orton or JBL should start a stable HHH should turn heel and make a stable with Garrison Cade,Mark Henry and Kennedy....,wht do u say? or JBL with Carlito,Hardcore Holly and Regal
How much would it typically cost to have horse stables constructed? I am wanting to build a stable of my own with my own horses. I know it is about 2 acres per horse. I would like to start off with 3 horses. So, I was wondering how much land should I go for and how much would it typically to have stables built cost with electricity etc?? Also who would construct stables for this sort of thing?
What is a good motto for a horse stable called Snow Angel Stables? What is a good motto for a horse stable called Snow Angel Stables?- it has to be bout the name!
Where are any horse riding stables in the Milwaukee or Waukesha Counties? I am a beginner rider looking for stables in cities in or around Milwaukee or Waukesha counties. Web addresses would be good too. Thanks!
Are the horse stables on Fort Sill available to military families for board? My husband and I just got to Sill and I noticed the stables as you're driving to the gate. Are these available for families stationed on Sill to board their horses? I can't seem to find any info online about Sill have stables. I know Ft. Lewis, where we came from, had them, and most Army posts do. Any info is appreciated! Thanks.
What does building of bunkhouses, living quarters and stables tell you about the Great Plains? Full question: What does building of bunk houses, living quarters and stables tell you about what was happening on the Great Plains?
How much will it cost to build two 10x12 stables ? We are going to build two 10x12 stables by knocking down our field shelter that is falling down. The shelter has a concrete base so we'll need to add concrete for 2 stables. I was wondering whether 10x12 stables were big enough for a 14 hand and a 16.1 hand horse ? Also, how much wood will be needed/what sort/how much will it cost ? Has anyone got any advice ? Many thanks
What can I do with two stables and a field? Hi, Bit of a broad question with probably not many answers but I thought I'd ask anyway. Two stables, two fields(paddocks), Tack Room, hay barn (big enough for two more stables). I have one pony already. Just curious what I can do with it all, either to make money or just to have fun with.
What gate number at the Pomona Fairplex leads to the stables? I have to be at a horse show and I cant remember what gate I need to enter to get to stables. Any horse people know which one? I think its 11?
What are the riding stables closest to Allston, Massachusets? I live in Allston, MA and am looking for the closest horse stables. Anyone know any?
What horseback riding stables are in Durham Region? Hi, I have been horseback riding for six years now, and i need to switch stables. -One in Durham Region, somewhere close to oshawa -list many options please -anyone have ideas where to contact to find stables -I live in the durham region ontario canada -please write down as many stables as found -please be in durham -I live in the durham region ontario canada -please write down as many stables as found -please be in durham
Why do people put their horses in stables instead of leaving them out to pasture? Im actually looking for information as im clueless, im not looking for an argument. I know there are people that let their horses roam but then some put their horses in stables at night then let them out in the morning.
What are some good website I could advertise some horse stables / boarding on? Well I have a about 14 stables, some paddocks, pasture, and an arena but they are not being put to much use. So what are some websites that I could advertise these for rent on?
What can I do to advertise our new stables for horse boarding? We need new clients! Any new ideas? We recently started the new stable yard in South Africa and we need to advertise, but we already did all the fliers and things. I want to know if you guys can give me original ideas to attract attention? It's quite urgent, the stables open on the 1 of March 2010.
Is it a good idea to date someone at your stables? I'm not trolling, but there's a boy at my stables who i've liked for two years. I'm sure he likes me too and I really don't want to just be friends. However, my yard owner hates it when girls bring their boyfriends to the stables but he rides there anyway. Serious question: Will it create a barn drama? Also, do you have any personal experiences of situations like this? We usually go there on different days; generally I see him once a week. Except in the school holidays, when i'd probably see him 3 times a week usually.
Taking a Horse Out of The Stables For First Time, anything I should know ahead of time? I'm using a Quarter if that matters, anything I should learn before I take my horse out of it's stables for the first time? I'm slightly new to this and the horse is huge compared to me when I'm standing next to it, so obviously, it has more power in strength than myself. Are Quarters good horses to use for beginner riders? Any tips would be helpful. It is my horse, a Quarter, thanks for the tips!
What are some good stables in the Vancouver Area? My sister and I are looking for a good cheap stable to board at in the lower mainland around the Vancouver B.C area. We would be willing to drive at least 45 minutes to get there. If you know any good, cheap stables then let us know! Thank you! where do you board at if you do I also need a really cheap one really close to Vancouver... not the island!!!
Where is CA can I find Stables for my Birthday party? I want to take my friends horseback riding, but I don't know where stables are. I need them to lend us horses. I have a budget of $100.00 to spend on it. And I live NEAR Redlands, so anywhere near there. Thanks!
Where to get good rubber matting for stables in Ireland plz? hey guys - prob only a question for the Irish horsey people! Can anyone let me know where to get good quality rubber matting for stables - the stuff Ive found so far is crap! Thanks guys
Does anyone know of companies who make stables that can be took down and moved? Ireland or Northern Ireland preferably. The stables must be able to be moved . I know what a field shelter is.
How can I learn horse management and grooming if we don't learn it at my stables? In my stables once you know how to groom, muck out and tack-up you can help out. I know how to un-tack 'cause we do that after the lesson, but how do I learn to do all these things? I know how to groom from you-tube and other sites, but my riding school doesn't know that. I don't really want to move schools. Please help!!!
What will be the names of Stables A and B after John Cena returns? Stable A:Undertaker,John Cena,Triple H,Sandman,Cody Rhodes and many other faces Stable B:Vince McMahon,Randy Orton,Jonathan Coachman,Umaga,Snitsky, Mark Henry,Big Daddy V and many other heels What will the two stables be specialising on?Name these other faces in Stable A and these other heels in Stable B if possible.But don't give me stupid answers like I don't know what you are talking about or I don't understand your question.
Are there horse stables on Columbus Air Force Base property in Mississippi? Someone told me they do or used to have horse stables there and that they'd let civilians in to ride the horses. True or false?
what shoes shall i wear for working down the stables but also occasionally riding? im soon starting work down my local stables and im going to be mainly mucking out and cleaning the horses etc... but also riding, and i dont know what shoes to wear? i could just wear wellies... or maybe long riding boots? what do you thinks the best?
How many times can I publish 'Ask for more' for building stables in Farmville? How many times can I publish 'Ask for more' for building stables in Farmville game on facebook? I have only clicked it once and I am not able to click it again. When will I be able to click it and publish again?
know of any really luxurious/expensive stables or riding academies anywhere in the world? im curious and looking for like really luxurious/expenisive stables. i just want to see what some really really nice stables look like. even million dollar stables. i looked on google but got nothing. help?
Stables in chicago illinois that offer riding lessons? I have had some trouble with finding a good horse stable that offers riding lessons for a good price in the chicago area i am not in chicago all year so i need a stables that i don't have to take lessons at all year but as i want to can anyone help thanks Anywhere in chicago is fine i just need a good stables does anyone know a website i could look up stables on?
Has anyone used sand as bedding in stables? I muck out my 2 horses stables daily, but this involves dust and I have developed Asthma. I am thinking that sand might be a good alternative (and I can leave the feeding part of the stable on clean cement to avoid horses picking up sand when they eat. And I am thinking that after picking up the manure, I can just scoop up the urine soaked spots with a spade and rinse the sand clean on a sieve. Has anybody tried this and what are your suggestions please?
Does anyone know of good english riding stables that have lessons in the Wilmington, DE area? The place that I ride right now is in Maryland. I was wondering if there were any trustworthy stables where I could take English riding lessons.
How much do stables cost to put a horse on? I am thinking about getting a shetland poney and a rescued horse, so does anyone know how much it would cost for stables per week?? xx
Does anyone know of any really nice stables that have trail rides where you can canter in IN, MI, or IL? I live in southwest Michigan. I used to have a horse so I am an experienced rider. Most of the stables around here don't let you do anything but walk because of liability. I'd like to be able to atleast canter a bit! There is a place in Merriville, IN that's called Southlake Stables but it isn't very nice. Thanks for any suggestions.
Are there any stables around Indianapolis, IN? I'm looking for someplace to take horseback riding lessons. I am not a beginner, I'm just looking to improve my riding. Does anybody know of any stables where I could do that in or around Indianapolis? I am looking to learn to ride Western Pleasure and eventually Contesting. I don't want to go to the Northside anywhere as it is too far from my house. I would also like to ride somewhere that might let me lease a horse to use in 4-H, as well.
How can you expand the horse stables in farmville? I received a notice stating that I can now expand my horse stable. When farmville (on Face book) froze and said my game was out of sync. I couldn't do anything but refresh my screen. Now, I don't know how to expand my horse stable. Can you help?
What are your food stables that you always keep on hand for meals? Hi Im going to be without a car for about a month so Im going to need to cut my grocery trips down a little bit to probably like 2 times during that month (I usually go weekly). What are some good items to buy that you can keep on hand and use to make a lot of meals, snacks included, and dont spoil to quickly? Thanks.
How can he fit Ten horses into nine stables? A man has Ten Horses and nine stables as shown here. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] The man wants to fit Ten Horses into nine stables. How can he fit Ten horses into nine stables?
Where can I find building plans for stables with living quarters? I am considering building a 10 stall horse barn and want to utilize the second floor as a complete living area with approximately 1500 square feet. Has anyone seen a site with sample pictures or plans for such a facility?
How do you say "I work at the stables" in German? I want to say that I work at a stables where you ride horses. I know it should be "Ich arbeite im Stall", but does that sound too much like physically inside of a stall? S: Thanks. (:
How much does it cost to board horses in stables? I wish to board some horses and I need to find out how much does it cost, I moving to the east coast.
What should me and my friends do at the stables for comic relief? I need a few ideas, there are about 20 people to involve. It can be anything from dressing up to riding, but just need a few ideas of how to pull it all together!
Where can I buy horse stables online? I am looking at purchasing very large horse stables. All I seem to find are really small ones.
What is the best way to horseride regularly if you have no horses and stables are too expensive/ far away? I live in north norfolk, and am a reasonably experience rider and don't have any horses and its not really possible to get any but I would really love to ride more regularly and just casually, is there any way of doing this?
Do horses have to have enclosed stalls for stables or can I put up a good 3 sided building? I'm planning on having up to 4 horses in a few years. I'm looking for ideas for housing.
Is it possible to take a horse from my stables and take it trail riding at a local horse tail? My friend & I were wondering if we could go to one of our local horse trails with horses from the farm we take lessons at, just for something different. Would we have to have our instructor with us?Obviously, we would need our instructor's permission to go.. But, would we need to own the horses to be able to go to the trail?
How many [horse] stables in the UK would be willing to hire a Gap Year student? I am thinking of taking a gap year after I graduate from high school, and I want to get out of America and see the rest of the world before college. Are there many opportunities for gap year students who have equine experience to work (live in accommodations) in the UK? Well, I don't have the finances to travel the world, so living in one "foreign" country will do. All I really wanted to see was the UK and Spain, anyway.
How to host the BEST halloween show at my riding stables??? Hi, ive decided to host a halloween show at my riding stables. And i don't know how to start! All i know is we are doing jumping, games, best turnout and more. Please tell me because i really need advice on what to do. THANKS!!!
(my daughter)What can i make to make my breyer traditional stables better and more realistic???:)? This is my daughter asking the question:I have some breyers they are the traditional range 1:9 i would like to know what things i could buy or make to make my stables better and more realistic!:)
What good horse riding stables are there in Bristol? I am a teenager who all ready knows how to trot on a horse at the most. I go trekking on holidays and am hooked on riding, but I don't know how much lessons cost I don't want to be too competitive as I just love riding. Thanks for the help. :)
How can i clean the stables automatic water tub? we moved yards... the water dispenser in his stable needs cleaning as the water is black and it smells awful (makes you gag) haha! how can i go about cleaning this? its small
What are some good horse riding stables in Malaysia? Hi, I am looking for a good riding stable in Malaysia that is near Singapore. I live in Singapore and I'm looking for a good place to ride that would be a bit cheaper than Singapore prices. Also, how long does it take to get across the bridge? Could you walk the bridge or would it be more sensible to take a car? If you could please give me any good websites of riding stabes in Malaysia that would be great!! Thanks!
Where are there any good stables with Stallions in Dorset? I would like to move my mare some where good in Dorset but cannot find any close to where I live.
How much can a horse cost? Can i leave it at my riding stables? I'm wondering if i can buy a horse. But my parents say that it will cost 2 much 2 feed it and everything.
Could I get a list of some good stables that are close to the University of Texas in Austin? Looking for a stable that is full care, indoor and outdoor arena, and that is well taken care of (like grassy green pastures, big enough stalls, and something that's nice to drive up to and takes excellent care of the horses boarded there). Thank you for the help in advance!
I would like to open my own stables offering lessons, what are the steps to achieve this? I would like to open a really nice stable offering lessons and boarding. I am graduating this December with a BA in English, President of the Equestrian Club and my University, and have been volunteering at a stable.
Are there any cheaper stables in Utah and whats the usual price of a quarter horse? Help me I desperately want and need a horse! Whats the price you pay per month for a single horse?
I am totally smitten by the bold and beautiful Logan from Mahindra stables. Can i have more information on it? Precisely on the number of variants, the price structure and the specifications that should be taken into consideration?
what are some good riding stables or barns in the world to ride at? i ride at diffrent barns and have my own horse who i dont get to see very often. i was just wondering about good places to go to and ride horses at.
Horseback riding fees and good lesson stables? I live in Colorado and have been riding for free for two years however now im in need of a new place to take lessons. What is a good price for an hour long enlgish hunter jumper lesson?
Does anyone know about Thunder Valley Stables in McKean PA? I'm planning a road trip for mid August to go to their Civil War reenactment they host every year. I'm from the Beaver Falls area, but moved to Michigan nearly ten years ago. Any help or information would be greatly appreciated on whether this event is worth the 400 some mile drive.
How can I get a job at horse stables? I live in the Long Beach area, in California. The only experience I have with horses is riding them, which has been off and on for about five years total. Can I get a job with this? If so, where and as what?
Is there any boarding stables near Currumbin Valley? im wondering if there are any boarding stables with lessons and trail riding near nerang currumbin or murrwillumbah or any places close to those ones?
What happened to stables and long term tag teams? Are the writers just unable to figure out how to do it, or is the talent just too selfish and in want of faster singles pushes?
Does anyone know any local stables that you can keep a horse at if you live in the city? Any near Medford, MA? I live in the city and I want a horse. No luck with asking my parents to move to the country. My Nana siad she would buy me one if I help her around the house. I want to buy one at a stable and visit it every day. My dad has a friend who owns some horses but he never takes me. Any ideas?
Do you know of any boarding stables in the Detroit, Mi area? I'm looking to board my horse and also hoping that I can find a stable in the Detroit area. I also was curious if boarding my horse at a stable entitled me to riding whenever I wanted without paying for lessons. Also if any of this helps you: I've been riding for about a year total, I ride western best and am hoping to find english stables so I can try it.
what can you tell me about horse stables? I'm getting a horse and was wondering about horse stables do they provide for there shots and feed or do we have to buy there feed and pay for there shots?? I'm a first time horse owner
Would it be alright to build a compost pit right against my horse stables ? Will it compost fast enough so that I don't have to worry about flies and other pest breeding in it?
How to ask for a job at the stables? I am 12 years old and enjoy horses very much. I was wondering what kind of questions you are supposed to ask, what information should I provide. Where should I look for a job in the first place, you get it...HELP. The reason I am looking for this job is because then I could provide for a horse of my own.
At race tracks, how can you get to the stables to take professional photos? I know that if you have a press pass, you can go back there and take photos, but how do you go about getting one?
Where can I find cheap horse boarding stables in Florida? I need help! I want to find a cheap boarding stable near Hobe Sound,Florida. Probably under $500. If I can find one, maybe my parents will buy me a horse.
how much is full board for horses and lessons at Quiet haven stables? i herd quiet haven stables is a awsome place for boarding your horse and lessons but how much is all of that
Is it a Good or Bad thing that TNA Focuses alot on Stables / Factions? There always seem to be some sort of Stable / Faction in TNA. We have had Planet Jarrett, The Angle Alliance, The Christian Coalition and The Main Event Mafia. Should TNA continue to focus on large groups of wrestlers or just begin to have every man for himself?
What are the best horseback riding stables in Malibu, CA? I am looking to for a new horseback riding program; I have been riding horses since I was ten. I ride at Ride On. I have a small muscular disability but I can ride independently. I am at an Advanced Trot. I ride in an English saddle and have my own saddle. I won numerous ribbons from horse shows.
How much is it to get riding lessons in El Kabayo Stables, Philippines? I am going to go to the PI soon and I am a HUGE horse lover... I know the Philippines is pretty cheap but how much is it for lessons and the cover charge for El Kabayo Stables? Thnx bunches! =]
What will I need for working at the stables? I am so happy as I have just found out that I will be working at my local stables! I will be there every saturday, all day- from about 9 'til 6pm. I know that I will need riding clothes for my lesson which is in the middle of the day, but I was just wondering if anyone had any good suggestions about what other stuff might be useful to me? (eg. wellies and stuff like that!) Thanks :)
Are there any boarding stables in this area? Do you know of any boarding stables near or in secret harbour (the closer the better!) If you do and you've boarded there can you please tell me whats there how they run it etc Any website links or phone numbers too thanks!!!! HIGH: it say SECRET HARBOUR it is a real place, i live there! it's in Western Australia, Perth, in between Mandurh (not sure of spelling) and rockingham
Should wwe induct wrestling stables into their hall of fame? What 2 stables should be inducted? The Valiants are already in the hall of fame
Can anyone tell me about the quality of Piedmont riding stables in hopewell, nj? Looking for a barn in the princeton, nj area that has quality school horses and will take you to rated and non rated shows throughout the year. My trainer is moving and I am trying to find a place where I can further my already 13 years of experience. Thanks :)
We have a riding stables within a 2 mile radius to my own horses with strangles.? My horses are not hacking out and have no direct contact with any horses or humans outside the vicinity. Is there any chance that they may have strangles transmitted to them via direct contact through humans as my friend that visits every evening looks after horses that are in the next field to the horses that are diagnosed with strangles?
Anyone know any good riding stables in Texas? I've been going to the same stable for around 4 years now, and I really want to learn more but the trainer has since last summer taken on several beginner students so I get pushed to the side alot. When I'm over there I'm almost always either helping her train a horse or teaching one of the younger students. I havn't had a proper lesson since June, so I'm not learning anymore and it's really quite boring (being assistant intstructor isn't all it's cracked up to be over there). One of the little girls doesn't listen to things I tell her to do and often does the complete opposite(i.e. I told her to take her horse away from another student's horse. She pulled her horse closer to the other horse and there ended up being a little skirmish between ponies). I really need a new stable to learn at That qualifies with most or all of these: *Hunter/Jumper lessons *Near/In Plano/Murphy, TX *Affordable Rates *Nice Instructors And please give me your rating of the stable, thanks.
Anyone know any good horse boarding stables around San Diego, CA? I'm looking into moving from Maine to California and I was wondering if anyone knew of any nice, small boarding stables around the San Diego area? I'm looking for a quiet little farm for my 24 year old Appaloosa to hang out at, someone's personal farm that has just a couple boarders would be preferable. I don't really want to have to put him at a large boarding stable with too many other horses and people, he just needs a nice retirement home! Thanks for any info!
Im kind of worried I found out that the stables where my mum keeps her horses is made out of concrete asbestos? For years, and years the door rubs against the asbestos when opened and closed. I rarely go down there, however have done on occasion and opens and shut the stable doors, is this a risk factor with the amount I would be exposed to by disturbing the asbestos when opening and closing the door, or if there are other damaged parts?
what would you wear for a job interview at a horse stables? What would you wear for an job interview at a horse stables? Would you wear a suit or would you go in horse gear? Any advice
anybody know any riding stables for lessons near Cornwall Ontario? Looking for english, trail riding, pleasure etc. For now anyway, untill i decide what direction i want to go in. Thanks Sorry should clarify Cornwall Ontario Canada!
Any suggestions for prebuilt horse stables? Please give me a link to a good horse stable kit or something like that.
Does anyone know any good stables in canada, ontario? can someone please help me find a horse stable in canada, ontario that is close to toronto, brampton, or missussuaga? the place that we're going now is weird, mean (lol), cheap, and doesnt take care of horses that well. i have some stables but i dont know if they are good or not. i was thinking of a tour but some of my suggestions of stables dont have tours, so please help?? thanks!
Horse stables in or near Sacramento California? Does anyone know any good horseback riding stables in or near Sacramento california. Preferably hunter/jumper.
Has anyone stayed at the stables in stragglethorpe, lincolnshire? Its just that I would like to know what it is like there?
How to help at my local horse riding stables...? I have been going to the same horse riding school for 3.5 years and always end up helping out on the riding camps, looking after the horses and lil kids. The thing is I would like to help more often-the camps are in the holidays only-and maybe even get a job helping out. How do I approach this and convince the owner of my riding school? I would also like to mainly work with the horses. Thanks and Happy holidays.
Who were the members of these stables in the wwe,and who was the leader of the group? 1.LWO 2.BWO 3.PMS ladies stable 4.The York Foundation 5.The new blood group in WCW 6.Ravens Flock 7.Filthy animals Sorry about saying the wrong company for these stables.
Dos any one know what the stables in little bushey lane are called? Thank you Michael B Do you know who owns it? Sorry "tommy onions" I dont know caldecote farm. But I go to Harts Farm Stables On little bushey lane :-O
Does anyone know of any good boarding stables in venice fl or sarasota area? I am looking for a good affordable boarding stable anywhere in venice sarastoa northport or englewood.
Anyone know any cheap boarding stables near Schaumburg IL? I really want a horse, but boarding is super expensive, a least for me, so please tell me if you know a cheap place, that is under $250.00! Thanks
What stables are in smackdown vs raw 2008? since no one has answer because they dont understand the question . n other words the tag teams on the game.
does anyone know of any new york state horse racing stables? i am intrested in either owning a race horse or owning a stack in a stable. does anyone know of any stables that LLC on horses.
I have stables and im thinkin of getting donkeys ? Can you ride them?(I weigh 7 stone) How many is best? Any tips on buying? How much land do they need? Lots of info wanted-- any good websites? I'm not really after a minature donkey. That was meant to say im really looking for minature donkeys!!!!
Does anyone know of horse boarding stables in Southern Oregon? I am looking for a place for a friend that lives in the Centrel Point area.
how would i go about getting a job sleaning horse stables and whatnot? also what is that job title called? i needed a place to live awhile back and a friend i knew worked a job like this in exchange for him living in this little house on the farm and he let me live with him as long as i helped. i really enjoyed the work and being around the horses. i would like to do it again but i know nothing about how to get a job like that or even the job title. sorry, i meant cleaning horse stables
Does Ft. Sill have riding stables that I can board my horse at? We're pcs'ing from Ft. Lewis to Ft. Sill in January and I'm wondering if they have boarding like Lewis does. Anyone know? If not, what are some close facilities around that I could board at? Thanks!
does anyone know if there are amy horse stables around or in Interlachen Fl, and if there is what is the name? I LIVE IN interlachen, and need to know the name of stables that mabye have a hose for lease.
Are there any cheap equestrian riding stables in Marietta GA? I would like to find a stable that offers lessons in Marietta for cheaper than $190.
In wwe SVR 2007, Is there any way to use your created stables in season mode? I am using my Created wrestler in season mode , and i made a stable with another created wrestler in it. they are both set to Raw superstars.
Who would win if these two stables ever fought? Hart Foundation vs Evolution - both in their prime facing off. who would win?
Are there any stables in whakatane? I have been looking all over the web but i can't find any. I am moving there in less than 1 months time . Pls help
What is the point of the Stables setting in Smackdown v Raw 2006 and when can you use a stable.? With the old Smackdown games you could use your stables for interferance but I cannot figure out a need for stables in the current game
Does anyone know, the email address of Sammy Day Stables? I need the email address or Website for Sammy Day Stables, in Shelbyville, TN.
is it safe to keep donkeys with horses in the same field and stables? i have seen donkeys and horses kept together, but i have been told that donkeys can pass lung worm onto horses, if donkeys are wormed regularly would this stop any problems
what are the best horseback riding stables in the poconos? i plan on going there this year and i really want to try horseback riding
where can i find stables to rent in great yarmouth? i would like to buy a horse but can't find anywhere to keep it i am looking for stables and grazing in the NR30 area of Great Yarmouth and some hacking routes as well
does anyone know of cheap horse boarding stables in massachusetts? every place i find is like between $600 per month-$700 per month and the cheapest i've found is $500 per month i was just wondering if anyone knew of any places that are cheaper? and how much would owning a horse at the $500 dollar place cost every year, including all the other payment? sorry for all the questions, i've never bought a horse before. :/ it doesn't really matter
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